October 27, 2013 19:55

Magnificent Seven

Magnificent Seven

© 2013, José Diaz

 

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>:)'s picture

Very good Diaz!

rohner's picture

Unfortunately, this image makes it look like Svidler is a recidivist exhibitionist exposing himself again and again....

voucher's picture

Making Kramnik into pimped-out puppet military dictator seems somehow fitting. Great personality insight.

Anonymous's picture

LOLOLOLOL

Anonymous's picture

Who is that in Kramnik? Is it Ivanchuck?
Why is there someone in Kramnik?

harami's picture

I think it is Nepomniatchi inside Kramnik

anonymous's picture

Does Mrs. Kramnik know?

Anonymous's picture

uh ?! shocking !÷

wfwf's picture

lol

Anonymous's picture

which tournament is this representing about ,what is that seven svidler?

jmason's picture

Svidler just won his seventh Russian title , that's the reference

noyb's picture

Andreikin stopped Kramnik.

Rini Luyks's picture

No, Nepomniachtchi is the guy in Kramniks matryoshka, I suppose...(last round result)

Chess Fan's picture

Brilliant and creative, Mr. Jose Diaz.

Bronkenstein's picture

Quite funny use of matryoshkas, but the real mastery is,as always, hidden in details: all 3 characters would make very good portrays per se (that is - taken out of comical situation). Check Nepo´s characteristic smile, excellent - and funny - variations of Svidler´s face...

Diaz @ his finest =)

Boris's picture

+ film ref.

Anonymous's picture

I don't get it...

PeterV's picture

I don't like it...

Anonymous's picture

Funny that Big Vlad never even finished top three in the national Championship while Svidler has seven titles.

Thomas Oliver's picture

Obviously, one reason why Svidler has seven titles is that - unlike Kramnik - he participated (more than) seven times.

I also needed 'help' to understand this cartoon - as it is relatively late, I wondered about a link to the forthcoming candidates event ... . It might have been even funnier to show 'different Svidlers' - he recently lost quite some weight, and must have looked somewhat different when he got his first Russian champion title in 1994(?).

Anonymous's picture

"Obviously, one reason why Svidler has seven titles is that - unlike Kramnik - he participated (more than) seven times"

It's not just that simple. Kramnik played national championship four times, Soviet in 1991 and three of the Russian Superfinals, and in none of them did he finish top three.

Svidler has not only won seven times but also shared first another time to lose in rapid tiebreak. Then he played a couple of times more with less impressive results. But it's a big difference between the results of the two in the event.

Thomas Oliver's picture

I said "one reason" ... . While your facts are correct, they make Kramnik's results (or at least his - hypothetical - chances if he had played more frequently) look worse than they were.

Are you serious about mentioning 1991, when Kramnik was a 16-year old FM with Elo 2490? At the same age, a certain Magnus Carlsen scored 4.5/13 in Wijk aan Zee 2007 (A-group) ... .

In two of his three other events, Kramnik shared third place even if he ("conveniently" for those who don't like him?) had an inferior tiebreak - this time something like 0.5 Sonneborn-Berger points behind Vitiugov.

For Svidler, "less impressive results" seems a bit of an understatement: he finished 4th-7th (5/10) in 2004, and 9th (5/11) in 2007. All I want to say: if Kramnik had played as frequently as Svidler, he might have won the event at least once - and it seems rather likely that he would have finished second, clear third or third on tiebreak.

Anonymous's picture

I mentioned 1991 since I counted all events he and Svidler played and you recently claimed that Kramnik in fact did win the national Championship said year. As for the rest, conveniently or not, Pogonina discussed Kramnik's never finishing top three at Chessgames.com.

Svidler has seven titles and an eighth shared first, and a couple of weak results. Kramnik has four finishes outside top three, with three of the starts 2005-13. Claiming that Svidler has seven titles because he has played more than seven times while Kramnik hasn't seems to me to downplay the actual achievement of Svidler.

Real Thomas Oliver's picture

Kramnik shared first place in a tournament called Russian championship in 1990, that was an achievement for someone who was 15 years old (even if there was some misunderstanding from my side). I can't find Pogonina's comment, so I don't know what she said and how she said it - "I feel sorry for Kramnik who, after a dramatic/traumatic last-round game, even missed third place by a tiebreak millimeter" sounds different than "hahaha, he was only fourth".

My comment isn't to downplay Svidler's achievements - but your comment and other similar ones sort of pretend that Svidler is far better than Kramnik. Something that neutral observers and even biased experts (e.g. Svidler himself) could never imply, only hopelessly biased Kramnik-haters who either know nothing about chess, or have their chess knowledge overwhelmed by blind hatred.

Anonymous's picture

"I can't find Pogonina's comment, so I don't know what she said and how she said it - "I feel sorry for Kramnik who, after a dramatic/traumatic last-round game, even missed third place by a tiebreak millimeter" sounds different than "hahaha, he was only fourth""

She didn't say "haha, he was only fourth", she just pointed out the simple fact that Kramnik never medalled in the event:

"those talks about him having not won a single medal must have gotten to him"

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chess.pl?tid=82365&crosstable=1&kpage=11#...

"your comment and other similar ones sort of pretend that Svidler is far better than Kramnik. Something that neutral observers and even biased experts (e.g. Svidler himself) could never imply, only hopelessly biased Kramnik-haters who either know nothing about chess, or have their chess knowledge overwhelmed by blind hatred"

How mentioning Svidler's actual results in the Russian Championship equals pretending that Svidler is far better than Kramnik, is beyond my understanding. I just think he should be given more credit for his results instead of the "he has seven titles because he played more than seven times while Kramnik didn't"-treatment.

Thomas Oliver's picture

Put it that way: one can praise Svidler and still refrain from sneaky remarks about Kramnik. And mentioning the obvious fact that Svidler needed to participate at least seven times to win seven titles doesn't diminish his achievements.

If you read Pogonina's entire comment (rather than quoting one sentence in isolation, and even this one is incompletely quoted: "Also" at the beginning matters in the given context), she did a bit more than "point out the simple fact" - it seems along the lines of "I feel sorry for Kramnik" or at least "tashing him is unwarranted":

"Vladimir Kramnik tried hard and did a tremendous job commentating on most of his games, signing autographs, giving interviews. He is a brilliant ambassador of chess, both as a player and as a person. I guess he got tired of all this attention/"community service". Also, those talks about him having not won a single medal must have gotten to him..."

Boris's picture

Incredibly funny, bit unfair for Krampnik (although characteristic) who has his Dortmund matroesjka after all.

Anonymous's picture

Kramnik doesn't look happy...

Rini Luyks's picture

I guess Kramnik can take this joke :)

Thomas Oliver's picture

I said "one reason" ... . Another reason is he might have chickened out the previous years. He probably didn't dare to play more since he only looses rating-points and never achieves something at the Russian championships. The opponents over here are much tougher, he can not produce good results. To be succesfull he needs tournaments like Dortmund.

Brecht's picture

Last two years, Kramnik is back in the saddle! His rating is at an all time high...and he can beat even Carlsen!

Brecht's picture

Plus a Kramnik junior is on the way! ;)

Anonymous's picture

There is...?!?
Ouch....it's a plague!

Real Thomas Oliver's picture

Identity theft is fun, isn't it? Players who, over the years, finished behind Kramnik in Dortmund include Carlsen, Anand, Aronian, Topalov, Nakamura and Svidler .... .

Fanboy's picture

Real T.O, lol:-) This is so fun to read.

vlad's picture

Time for Kramnik to retire. He had great career and it would be pity to spoil overall impression.
BTW, Congrats to Irina Krush for becoming GM!

Anonymous's picture

I don't understand why Svidler was never worldchampion and Kramnik was. Can someone please explain this to me?

Anonymous's picture

Svidler had to qualify to get a title match instead of being given one by his then buddy after failing in all qualifications. Kick Carlsen out of the match and replace him with Svidler, and suddenly Svidler's chances to win the title increase quite a bit.

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